I've been hearing in our news that there are quite a few people linked to Al Qaeda living in Canada. The fact that the Gov't *knows* who some of them are, and yet seems to be doing nothing about it really makes me *!!!!!*. Also, lamers have been calling in threats to the Skytrain (in greater vancouver, bc) where my mom works!! They keep it all hushhush of course, to avoid freaking out the public but I am in the "know".

theyre everywhere! bunch of bullies!!!! were trying 2 help them in iraq ~n~ they dont appreciate it. sick peeps! hope nothing happens 2 ur mom.

ACCORDING TO THE NEWS THIS AM, they are all over the World. It's time that all the different countries stand up & do WHAT IS RIGHT & NEEDS done(instead of what is PC(Politically Correct or EASY or what is Economically beneficial to them individually) Soon people will find out the cost of ignoring(sticking their heads in the sand) these Terrorists. The said right after the 9-11 bombing, that their goal, was WORLD DOMINATION! DuH, the way to do that is to hit a nation's Economics-thru fear & uncertainty. They won't quit terrorism, they found out it works! It's a cheap way of destroying another country! The Terrorists don't care about development, just destruction! They don't care about civilization, they love chaos! If they have money, they buy weapons. when was the last time you heard of them building a hospital or doing cancer research!? They will never stop, they will always find an "EXCUSE" or Cause to Kill & destroy. The countries that Harbour & support these groups will someday find themselves in the Terrorists Crosshairs. Weak Immigration Laws have Helped them come into our countries & there for Protected by our laws & they even get welfare & medical help, all the time being a "Sleeper"terrorists, waiting to get their orders! We need to join together to stop them, but many countries have a "reason" to remain neutral. AMERICA, THANKS TO THE TERRORISTS, will never be SAFE, as it was before. Whether we want to admit it or not. Canada has had sleepers for a LONG TIME, so has these other nations. Why are the news stories being shown on Nat'l TV Nightly News in the US(1-2 yrs ago)& These countries are just now finding out what is going on? I think that their governments should post the #'s of Terrorist-linked Organizations that are in their countries & getting their welfare payments! We need to find a way to stop our FREEDOMS/Liberties from PROTECTING these terrorists! They are using them to undermine our security! It's amazing to me how many NATIONS that we(America) are supporting with FOREIGN AIDE, that inturn, give money out freely to Terrorist-funding organizations & individuals! Countries tell Israel to tear down their "Walls of Protection", Which have proved to stop Suicide BOMBERS! While we sit here, with open borders to the NORTH & SOUTH. It is a Proven FACT that Terrorists do walk across these areas undetered! Seems to me that Israel has a "better idea!" here. The walls make it "inconvenient" for folks to come & go across check points, okay, but the walls save lives. We need to learn what was taught to me a long time ago, in an academy"GOOD SECURITY IS NOT CONVENIENT"! As far as the terrorists being everywhere! There's a good lesson in the History Books, called The Trojan Horse~ funny how history repeats it's self~ It was Stalin, who said that" America will destroy herself FROM WITHIN!" I believe a lot more countries will also. Once you let these "Undercover Terrorists" in, how do you find them or stop them, THEY HAVE RIGHTS TOO! There was another threat made by a radical Terrorist, funny but the threat wass made to a news reporter, but not much was said after he made the threat openly in a news interview. This wasn't really a threat it was a promise! He said, "If we can not fight your Army and win by the sword, we will marry your Young American Women, have American Babies & conquer you that way!" why not they've been doing it for years. Yes . Years~ no one really thinks that this bunch of terrorists, just started this on 9-11 do they, do you? Another way they have taken OLD HISTORY and applied it to today's world, "DIVIDE & CONQUER" They've used lies to turn nations against Israel & now American, seems that this strategy works well for them, AS WELL AS GREED FOR MONEY, WORLD POWER POSITION & PROMISED OIL LEASES. COUNTRIES THAT WE HAVE SAVED FROM Nazi & Communism in the past, rebuilt their countries & helped defend in the past, also had a case of ungratefulness & memory loss. FYI- about the weapons of Mass-destructions(WMD) THE FACT IS; THEY WERE THERE(proven fact) IN THE 90'S WHEN THE WEAPONS INSPECTORS were there, they the inspectors were kicked out & what ever became of them? Just cause at this time they aren't found is an area as big as the state of Cailifornia.(needle in a hay stack) they might have even brought into the surrounding countries for"safe keeping" Terrorists are NOW coming across the borders now to attack,kill & kidnap in Iraq now & they were coming from Iran in the beginning of this war also(and Hussein's family escaping across the borders)unstopped in large carivans. If Saddam says that he destoyed these costly WMD, I'D BELIEVE HIM RIGHT!? It has been proven THAT Russian Nuclear scientists(not paid in years and jobless were hired by Terroristic organizations, North Korea & Hussein to build WMD(of all kinds) and at the present are we not fighting terrorists in Iraq & Afghanistan? Is this not a World problem? Where is everyone else, won't these other countries want our help when bombs go off in their country?

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Did you know most of the motels, hotels, etc in the states is owned by arabs? so are many of the truck stops. Hubby is a long haul trucker and is disturbed by this. He says Americans do not own American any more. Over in Port Aransas all but a couple of the souviner shops, some huge, are owned by Arabs. So they can be here owing a business and meanwhile working with a terriost cell. It is scarey.

I was sick to my stomach this morning when I heard they killed one of the hostages, the Italian security guard. What a sick and senseless way to snuff a life. I can't even imagine the grief his family must be going through. They videotaped his killing and AlJaseera (sp?) stated they had seen the video and it was too graphic to air on their TV program. Why can't we all just get along? It's sad.

Rosemary, they are everywhere, even in Latin American countries -- that really shocked me. At the 911 Comission hearing they stated they had knowledge of an Al Quaeda cell operating and training in a tiny not-well-known city in Italy. They lost track of them due to "budget cuts"!! I tell you, it is discouraging knowing these people are suppose to protect this country. The U.S. collects billions of dollars from us in taxes and yet they still have "budget cuts" for something so important!! I don't get it, I honestly don't!!

SURE IT IS SCAREY, but THEY HAVE RIGHTS TOO! They own alot of good rich farmland here in America too! Right after 9-11 doesn't anyone remember finding out that Ben Laden's immediate family owned some big Motel & Apartment buildings & going to college here! I think it was his Step-Mother! The Organizations that contribute money to Terrorism is very complex. America gives Foreign Aid to Countries that do & the PLO & Hamas are intertwined! Even Israel gives tax money to Arafat, who is PLO/Hamas! Go figure! and we give money that ends up buying weapons that kill us! Go Figure, How do you thing Arafat ended up a Billionaire,not his good looks!Imagine this, an Arab goes into a nation, gets on welfare, takes some of it to the Mosque, gives to the Cleric, the Cleric sends it back to a Middle Eastern Organization....Duh! Happens everyday! Fact: Arab immigrants in European Countries(which a large portion of them are on welfare) (which used to be Christian nations)are multipling at a rate of 6 to 2! In a relatively short time, they will out number their European counterparts, who have cut down the number of children, cuz they(the Europeans)say that they cant afford more children anymore! The ramifications of this trend is mind boggling! Fact: In Belgium, the most commom boy's name given to babies is Muhammed! No one in our Gov. can tell you how many there are here, their "GUESS" was about 1/6 of the Actual number it is now thought. They are coming into the US by the hundreds(via coyotes from Mexico and walking across as casual as you or I going to the neiborhood convenience Store) I've got actual video footage of this. Actually the Coyotes, get from $2500.-$5000.(USD) a head for arabs & only $500.-$1000.(USD) per Illegal Mexican smuggled in to the US. Maybe we should start putting out bids for WALL BUILDERS ourselves! But I think that it is far too late for that, they have enough Sleepers here now & we've given them the "RIGHTS" so they have "PRIVACY" and taught them how to sue the crud out of us and the Arab League, Aclu etc will supply the attorney!

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The only way we can all fight back is to be careful where you spend your $$. I don't want to act...prejudiced by assuming all muslims are *bad* but I can safely assume the less...assimilated into our respective cultures they are, the more likely it is they sympathize with Arab countries, and could easily be coerced to join some secret terrorist organization. A few weeks ago, I was with my mom and Gus at a local mall (near Vancouver, BC!) and there was a man (and boy, do I use that term loosely) with his (what I assumed to be his wife) and his wife was literally wearing a BURQA. You know, the outfits women are forced to wear in the more EVIL arab countries where they are covered head to toe in material. Well that is what this particular woman was wearing IN CANADA. I was SOOOOO totally OUTRAGED. I felt like stripping down to a thong bikini to protest. I am not really a racist, but I flippin don't live in Afganistan and I utterly object to women being treated like animals or WORSE. Now you can bet that guy is in NO WAY a Canadian at heart, and sooo easily could be an Al Qaeda supporter. How in Hades did he get into this country????? I don't get it

I am still angry about it!!!

WHEN will we learn? when they've poisoned every major city in north america with Saren gas or something????

Our wedding photographer is some kind of expert on Islam (or so he says) and he thinks they want to make this into a Muslim nation (America too)

over my dead body!!! only here am I allowed to be an Atheist and *horrors* a vegetarian and believe in what *I* want without fear of prosecution!!!

Rosemary you are a very very smart woman, everything you said I feel is true, we don't want to realize it, we want to put it in the back of our minds, and go on with everyday life, WAKE UP AMERICA AND ALL OTHER COUNTRIES ! if we don't I feel in time we won't be around to worry about it anymore you know WORLD WAR III , WITH THE TECHNOLOGY TODAY, THERE ARE PRECISE AND ANILATEING WEAPONS.

All I can say is that God would not be proud of the mess we've made of this world!! I've read excerpts from the Quoran and it's against violence, so I don't know what re-written Quoran version Bin Laden follows. Everything that's happening is just so sad and upsetting.

it's part of the reason why i don't believe there is a god. I think if there was, he or she or it would stop the insanity before humans self-destruct.

In the Bible, the majority of activities prohibited - murder, robbery, adultery, etc. - involve harm inflicted on someone who doesn't deserve to be harmed. I feel when evil things happen, they are not of the Lord but of his adversary, Satan. Spiritual warfare is very real. God gives us a free-will to use our judgment for good or for evil and there are consequences. I believe only God knows when it's appropriate for him to intervene. It's just sad the way things are.

I guess I shoulda said I don't believe in Satan either

Barbi, You are partly right about the KORAN. It does say that it is against hurting innocent people- according to the Koran- ONLY MUSLIMS ARE INNOCENT! The rest of the Humans are INFIDELS!!! the SWORD or convert! Have someone translate the SURAH Chapter of the Koran. Also maybe a few places talk of peace, but the rest of it says something very different! The Koran also says that it they CONQUER a land THEY CAN NOT GIVE IT BACK OR HAVE IT TAKEN FROM THEM! There is only ONE way for a Muslim to be sure that they will end up in HEAVEN....JIHAD~ suicide taking the Jews & other Infidels with them! Barbi, if you REALLY want to know what is in the KORAN(the majority of the Muslims haven't got the foggiest idea what the whole thing is about)-Just like Christians and the BIBLE! I have a resource who can enlighten you, both he & his father, were Imams! Do you remember Martin Luther? He fought for the Scriptures to be translated into the proples' language & wanted Bibles for the common people, well, it started a Reformation(Revival of sorts) Well, before that the Priests were very powerful people cuz they had the Scriptures & would tell the people what they wanted them to know(or not know) Well, until now, the Muslims were being led & always holding that power. Since one never knows when you are going to Heaven or not, you "submitted" to the clerics & Imams! Under threat of death for you & your family & certain HELL! According to the Loran even Muhammed himself(the founder of the Muslim religion) didn't know for sure!) Poverty is not why the Muslims are so tormented, it's the Hell of never knowing if you've done enough! I can't even imagine what it must be like NEVER to know where I'm going to spend Eternity! I think I'd be enraged & tormented if I had to wake up wondering. There is NEVER any PEACE in their SOULS! For that reason I pity them! They are a SLAVE to their Unknowing! Our Lord Frees us from that! As far as WORLD DOMINATION, Yes you bet! They believe that, until they RULE the WORLD and CLAIM it for Allah, HE WON't COME BACK for them and RULE THIS WORLD! They MUST KILL ALL JEWS and convert all others(non-MUSLIMS)or they too must DIE BY THE SWORD! When it comes time, and the "back-seat""back-sliden" Jack-muslims are called "to duty" and given their orders, what do you think that they are going to do? By the way, obeying isn't for the Muslim, like it is for the Baptist, who moves on to a new denomination. They kill them if they LEAVE Islam!and their families, if possible cruelly infront of them. If a Muslim leaves the Faith, they are outcasts & their own family member must kill them if they can! AMERICANS & Europeans don't understand, what is at stake here, they don't understand how a RELIGION is more important, to the Muslim, than LIFE itself! We don't understand that the Muslim over there has nothing to lose! cuz we want to live more than we want to die! We can't comprehend how a kid would for $25.00 & a new suit of clothing would blow himself up. or how a parent could help a kid put on a suicide belt! How do you fight someone who feels like they have nothing to lose by dying a hideous, horrible death @ the age of 14? That's why the Suicide Kamikaze Pilots were so effective. The didn't care how dangerous the mission was cuz they couldn't comeback anyway!(why did they where helmets, never understood that!) They always has a lil nip of "Sake" too, right before they climbed into their plane to help their courage. Satan has his ways of deceiving people to think that killing them selves helps things. If we think that this is going away, we are foolish. If we think that GOD owes us an easy way out, other than HIS PLAN for Salvation, we're deceived & will be terribly disappointed in the future. We can curse, shake our fists,make worthless threats, stamp our feet & reject God. But,it won't do any good. The only way out if for us to turn to the One who gives Wisdom. He is the only one who can defeat our enemy. For those who doubt what I have written, about this "peaceful" religion and their plans for our future. I have proof, "out of the horses' own mouth" as the saying goes. Video tapes of sermons, speeches and writings. Also video testimonies of former Muslim Clerics. Or Check out the Chapter "Surah" in the Koran, when the verses say, and if one hurts or kills an Innocent one, it is as if he has killed, an entire people. See if the word "innocent one" means a Muslim or a non-muslim! Why don't you ask yourselves, why hasn't the Muslim Populations of the world gone against BinLaden? Why haven't they put up rewards for his capture? there's a lot of questions people around the (non-muslim) world better start asking themselves soon! Don't blame God, He didn't tell us to give BinLaden all that money & training! You would have thought we would have learned about Jerks like this from Hitler(BTW- he was after world domination too),as has many before him, THINK ABOUT IT! THE HECK OF IT IS, BIN LADEN WAS RIGHT ABOUT SOMETHING:Americans certainly don't act like a "GODLY NATION" BUT YET WHEN "stuff" Happens, everyother sentence is"GOD BLESS AMERICA"! why in the world should HE? Have we BLESSED Him, by our Behavior? some Christian Nation! Look @ what we are doing, everyday, we are passing more & more Laws that are against HIM! There is physical proof(Archaeology of the Bible-Book by Book)by Cornfeld~ that proves what happened to Sodom & Gomorrah~FRIED! for doing LESS than what we are doing today. The Prophets of the Old Testament warned the people to stop, repent & to turn from their wicked ways but they didn't either. What will it take? Maybe a lil bigger bomb(wake-up call) maybe a bigger HAMMER!

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Originally posted by Lalania and Juneau:
I guess I shoulda said I don't believe in Satan either

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Lalania, we can agree to disagree

Rosemary, you're right. We can't comprehend that type of mentality. I was reading a story where a father or mother feels they have the right to beat and kill their daughter if she falls in love with someone they disagree of. Go figure that one out.

They just announced another soldier being taken as a hostage. So young and he's married with a 4 month old. We need to keep P.U.S.H. I pray he's not harmed.

You are right Barbi, we can disagree! Just for the sake of discussion then:If we don't believe in something we can't see....can't see the wind, but YOU DEFINITLY KNOW IT"S THERE WHEN IT BLOWS YOUR HOUSE into the next county! Sometimes, if we don't see the house in the air ourselves, we may have to believe someone else who did! Also, if we don't believe that there is a GOD, we don't understand how FIERCELY others WHO DO will defend THEIR BELIEFS. I just happen to believe in God very strongly, but never read or heard GOD tell me to KILL those who don't(His WORD just says to TELL them. THE REST IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY! IT'S THEIR CHOICE! BUT, with the MUSLIM RELIGION< IT'S NOT OPTIONAL, OPEN FOR DISCUSSION OR A DEMOCRACY! non-muslims AND weak-in-the-faith Christians etc. better start hoping crossing your fingers or what ever you depend on for protection, that they don't get control! If they do, there won't be any sniveling about "rights" etc.

Amen to that Rosemary ! This world has gotten itself in a terrible situation, although it has been going on for a long time this war in the middle east.

I agree with the ones who say God lets us make a choice. He gave us a mind, we have the bible, and we can choose between right and wrong. We can do what He wants, or we can do with the devil wants us to do--our choice. Sometimes it is hard to go the right way. Our entire life is filled with choices from who to marry, how many kids to have, where to live, to simple things like what to fix for supper. But it is our choice (unless you live in one of those countries where your husband is picked for you and you have no rights). If you opt to go the wrong road, it is nobody's fault but yours as to the outcome.

I do not hold anyone's faith or belief against them--judge not lest you be judged. But I got to admit I am sure glad I am a Christian and not of one of the middle east faiths.

As as to that woman in Canada being dressed like she was "back home" I think that is awful--unless it was her choice and I can't imagine that being ANY woman's choice. Altho I understand some still stick to that in Afghanistan. But maybe it still isn't really their choice, who knows.

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I do not hold anyone's faith or belief against them--judge not lest you be judged. But I got to admit I am sure glad I am a Christian and not of one of the middle east faiths.

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yup! u hit it on the nail 4 me 2.

I hold no one's faith against them.....unless it it their BELIEF that they are suppose to kill me, because of My faith(or lack of it)! It is my belief that as long as it is a TRUELY PEACEFUL RELIGION, I don't have a problem with it at all. That's not what we are talking about here though. Just cuz you say it is peaceful, doesn't mean it is. I can PROVE WHAT their Koran Says. and if somebody wants to look at a few chapters & not look at the rest of the book, then they are missing the Whole Truth. As with the Bible, we need to know"the rest of the Story!" It's like reading a contract, you would be foolish just to read the "SIGN HERE" only! The bottom line is that if something is really important to you, you will spend time, learning all about it, not just dabble in it(only learning enough to really get you messed up!) But if you consider yourself to be a Christian, and you don't read the "Instruction Manual" How do you know what God wants you to do? If you don't pray, How do you communicate with HIM? If you do or say nothing, How do you serve HIM? We can say that everyone has a right to worship God the way they want, in any religion they want. I say that's up to God! Not me! I read in the Bible, that Cain, worshiped God the way that he(Cain) wanted to, but then God rejected it too~! But, then if you don't believe in the Bible, I guess you won't believe that either! I read that there's only one way to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I didn't make that rule HE did! If that doesn't suit everyone they need to take that up with HIM! In the Bible a man died cuz he touched the Ark of the Covenant seems like a small infraction(after all he wasn't trying to steal it, just stop it from hitting the gound-when it was dropped by someone else)was God unfair? No, HE said that they could not touch it. People tend to forget, not only is He our Creator, but HE IS HOLY and the u